Twitter conversations about transgender individuals has gotten both conservatives and liberals kicked off the platform. Last year, Canadian feminist Meghan Murphy was banned because she said “men are not women.”
The platform adopted a policy last fall where users can be banned for misgendering or “deadnaming” transgender people, as well as prohibiting other types of harassment and abuse tactics.
That latter policy got far right activist Laura Loomer kicked off Twitter after she said Rep. Ilhan Omar is “anti Jewish”, a member of a religion in which “homosexuals are oppressed” and “women are abused” and “forced to wear the hijab.”
Joe Rogan had Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Vijaya Gadde, the company’s global lead for legal, policy, and trust and safety on his podcast so they could talk about how the platform handles these cases and why.
— jack 🌍🌏🌎 (@jack) March 5, 2019
Rogan said that transgenderism is “an ideology,” and “if she is saying a man is never a woman, if that is what she’s saying, and then biologically she’s correct we obviously have a debate here. This is not a clear cut [issue]. This is not something you can say water is wet, this is dry. This is not something that you can prove. This is something that you have to acknowledge that there is an understanding that someone who is a trans person we all agree to consider them a woman and to think of them as a woman, to talk to them, to address them with their preferred names and preferred pronouns. But biologically this is not accurate. We have a divide here. We have a divide with the conservative estimation of what’s happening and then the definition that’s the liberal definition of it.”
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) March 6, 2019
This prompted some discussion with Vijaya Gadde.
“I think that’s right Joe,” Gadde said. “And I think what I’m trying to say is that it’s not that you can’t have those viewpoints. If you’re taking those viewpoints and you’re targeting at a specific person in a way that reflects your intent to abuse and harass them.”
Watch the full interview below.